ChaChaCha Changes...
Recently the string of comments on Tryan’s article Living in Astoria: The Good brought up some interesting points about when something isn’t what it once was. The discussion revolves around groups, such as the Kingston Trio who perform under the name of the group, but have none of the original members. Are they really still the Kingston Trio? When does a group lose its charter? Did the Rolling Stones end when Brian Jones died? Did Van Halen end when David Lee Roth left the group? Could the Doors tour again without Jim Morrison?
Let’s go a little deeper. Let’s say you buy a car and drive across the country, and every few miles you replace a part on the car and by the time you get to the Atlantic Coast you’ve replaced every part in the car. Is it the same car if the only original feature is the license plates?
It is easy to say that it isn’t the same car at all, but do you have all the same cells you had when you were born? Are you a different person?
posted by The Guy Who Writes This at 9:00 AM
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That car illustration reminds me of that Johnny Cash song....
And thank you for pointing out the cellular changes in a person. Guess that must be what happened to me over my lifetime. Yeah, thats it.
Perhaps we could refer to such situations as being in an "evolved state" --but in cases like the Rolling Stones -- "mummified state" is more appropriate.
According to the gov't, it would be a different car once the VIN numbers change. But the gov't isn't much into philosophy.
As to a person ... I would say the soul is what matters. Your body may change, but your soul is a constant.
I'm with Walter on this one. A human's soul is not made of cells. Though without all those cells surrounding it, the soul has a hard time being very... of this world, I'll say.
Would anyone argue that a person who, as of yesterday has roughly all the same cells as today, but suffers a traumatic brain injury and has a major personality change... is that person the same person? No. Absolutely not.
When something on the outside changes, it's easy to deal with, to accept the change. When something on the inside changes, we have problems categorizing the change.
I swear I've been many different people since I was born. (Some good, some bad.)
That picture is cool. I've been staring at it for awhile.
(And the Rolling Stones end when Mick Jagger does.)
Did Van Halen end? Yes. Could the Door tour No. But Black Sabbath kept on with different guitar players and lead singers pretty well. Pink Floyd never really took off until founder Syd Barret went off the deep end. The Stones were incredible when I saw them in the late 90's. But is it right for Keith Richards to try and tell Chuck Berry how to play Oh Carrol? I don't think so. Y'know it's crazy sometimes, like the last few days we've been talking about the authenticity of various Drifters outfits on a couple of these sites. THen what should I hear on the radio going home last night but this:
Former THE SUPREMES singer MARY WILSON is one of many veteran musicians celebrating after officials in Las Vegas, Nevada passed a new law ordering groups with less than one original band member to call themselves tribute acts. Wilson and several other musicians have long lobbied for the law - she has to date sued five groups performing under the Supremes name. Under the new legislation, if a band falsely advertises itself without at least one member historically linked with the original group, it will be considered a deceptive trading practice. Maxine Porter, the manager of Drifters star Bill Pinkey, hopes the law will be extended to at least 20 other U.S. states by the end of 2007. She says, "In a town like Las Vegas, where you have a constant flow of tourists, this is a place where people expect to have authenticity. "You don't need to see The Drifters advertised on three different marquees." The Platter's Sonny Turner adds, "Nevada is the entertainment capital of the world, so this was one of our major goals."
Cue Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell singing-"ain't nothin' like the real thing baby". I say as long as they sang with one of the leads that charted and maintain the original spirit, by where the folks feel like they're 14 again it's cool.
I heard a funny rumor but don't know if it is true.
Bachman Turner Overdrive, or BTO has had so many members, and broken up and split so many times that,,,, ARE YOU READY FOR THIS?!!!!
Rumor has it that at one point they ran into a problem selling tickets because Bachman Turner Overdrive was playing on the east coast and BTO was playing on the left coast ON THE SAME DAY! :-O
Sorry Guy, I refuse to think thoughts that deep on a Saturday. Think I'll just go play my '60s greatest hits remix CD:)
"Did the Rolling Stones end when Brian Jones died?"
No.
Jones was only 20% of The Stones. The remaining 80% still were Rolling Stones. Say, perish the thought, The Guy Who Writes This lost a limb in an accident. He would still have three others and would still be "the guy". He wouln't no longer be the guy just cuz he had one leg.
Did Van Halen end when David Lee Roth left the group?
No.
Being as both Van Halen brothers stayed in the band it would be silly to think they werent Van Halen anymore. After all, the band wasn't named Roth.
"Could the Doors tour again without Jim Morrison?"
Yes, for not only could they, they, unfortunately, did.
I guess this should have been a Sunday post for all you believers in souls. Such deep belief in music out there as well. Too bad, you get to read something else tomorrow.
Beth, you can find more about the artist by doing a search on the name MC Escher. Maybe Auntie should do an article on him.
I had already planned to after seeing Beths comment yesterday.
I feel an Art day coming up soon Beth.
Gearhead:Was that a case of BTO divided by TCB equals TKO ?
Gearhead:Was that a case of BTO divided by TCB equals TKO ?
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